When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. Birinci Kadin was used for wives only, Brinici Kadin was not used for concubines or ordinary consorts, Birinci Kadin meant First Wife/Senior Consort. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. [12], European ambassadors of that period called her la Rossa, la Rosa, and Roxelana, meaning "the Russian woman"[13] or "the Ruthenian one" for her alleged Ruthenian origins. Trk Tarih Kurumu Basmevi. Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox priest, Hurrem was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken to Istanbul, the Ottoman capital. And there is lots of lots of doubts about the title of this woman. [9][10], Though Mahidevran Sultan may not have been a Haseki, she was the mother of ehzade Mustafa, the eldest surviving son of the reigning Sultan and the crown prince of the imperial throne. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. She quotes the sultan as saying, "with the old king we were like brothers, and if it pleases the All-Merciful God, with this king we will be as father and son." If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. Takabeg (talk) 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Someone needs to check the pronunciation: stress and vowel length. And there is no problem in distinguishing the difference between her, Gulfem Hatun and Fulane Hatun. Hope you understand. Acting on Hurrem Sultan's orders, Rustem Pasha had engraved Mustafa's seal and sent a letter seemingly written from his mouth to Shah Tahmasb I, and then sent Shah's response to Suleiman. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). But "sultan" is not a nickname: "sultan" is a royal manner of addressing that is deeply ingrained in Ottoman culture and reflects the times of the events that unfolded(such as the change in their use as generations passed). In the end, she found herself in Manisa as one of the women in the Suleimans harem. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a man surnamed Lisovski, who was an Orthodox priest of Ruthenian origin. If you want you may mention an unnecessary word "slave" to the totally irrelevant section of "Origin and early life" but trust me you'll spent your whole life (and next one as well if you're a monk) reverting the changes made by those who have problem with this piece of word. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The thing is, unlike yours, I'm not fabricating a theory! WebMihrimah Sultan (1522 - January 25, 1578) was the daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Hrrem Sultan. If "Haseki Sultan" was created solely for Hurrem when they legally married, breaking a 200 hundred tradition of not marrying, why should anyone assume that other concubines of the sultan would start using "sultan" if they didn't marry him? [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. In 1546, one more half-brother was on the governors market; Prince Beyazt. She's only ever referred to as Mahidevran Khatun or Hatun in sources, see The Imperial Harem, pages 55, 61 and 367. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. If you ask about Istanbul, the city still suffers from the plague; however, it is not like the previous one. p. 401. WebExplore Mahidevrans 121 photos on Flickr! Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. [27] In defiance of this age-old custom, Hurrem stayed behind in the harem, even after her sons went to govern the empire's remote provinces. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. But with the same decree, Mustafa was appointed to govern Konya (middle Anatolia). In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. 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The Ottoman Empire, 13001650: The Structure of Power. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. Like every woman in the harem, there is little information about her early life; she was from either Circassia or Montenegro. The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. 8:02Am Jun 6, 2017 morning to take a look at it dazzling performances that the Inbetweener on the film, the voice behind the character Wallace who h Suleiman (r. 15201566) actually had multiple sons, almost all of whom would predecease him. By the time he became Sultan, he had three: Mahmud, Mu [19] According to Necdet Sakaolu, a Turkish historian, these accusations were not truthful. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. Why not any other Hatun has that article differences. [20] After the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. [8] However it is clear,that Mahidevran Sultan also carried the title Sultan as she was the first main chief consort (Ba Kadn). Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. Prince Idar took this as an opportunity to make a good relationship with their rapidly spending neighboring dynasty, as young Prince Sulieman was only a few year older (if not the same age) than his most beautiful daughter. Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. It is also stated that before "Haseki Sultan" all concubines used the title hatun. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. The title of this page has to be changed and needs to be protected from any form of cultural erasure. She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Keivan, do you really have access to the proposed source? Suleiman probably feared the reaction of the army. Hence it is possible, though not likely, that Mahidevran also carried the title Sultan. Memorial ID. There have been novels written in other languages: in French, a fictionalized biography by Willy Sperco (1972); in German, a novel by Johannes Tralow (1944, reprinted many times); a very detailed novel in Serbo-Croatian by Radovan Samardzic (1987); one in Turkish by Ulku Cahit (2001). 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. Amasya was one of the farthest provinces from the capital. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. Carried the title Sultan the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by of... 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